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I sailed on the Lurline and Monterey as a passenger back in the late '60's.
We sailed on the Lurline going from LA to Honolulu and then, three years
later, the Monterey from Honolulu to LA. I believe that the Lurline had
been taken out of passenger service and the Monterey was on its last trip
with passengers when we sailed on her.

Nice ships as I remember them.
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:49:42 -0400, "Bert Robbins"
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 >I sailed on the Lurline and Monterey as a passenger back in the late '60's.
 >We sailed on the Lurline going from LA to Honolulu and then, three years
 >later, the Monterey from Honolulu to LA. I believe that the Lurline had
 >been taken out of passenger service and the Monterey was on its last trip
 >with passengers when we sailed on her.
 >
 >Nice ships as I remember them.

The wife and I took a trip on the Mt. Vernon Victory in the 80's - one
of the last Onasis tankers in service at the time. A friend of mine
was the Captain.

Thing had a baby grand piano in the owner's lounge.

Taht trip was a lot of fun.

Later,

Tom
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Interesting link, thanks.

DSK
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 >The wife and I took a trip on the Mt. Vernon Victory in the 80's - one
 >of the last Onasis tankers in service at the time. A friend of mine
 >was the Captain.
 >

As I remember, she was one of the old midship house tankers, built on gov'ment
specs. There were a number of them around, all of which had a good turn of
speed and some better than average accomodations, for US ships (which normally
have worse than average accomodations ..... kinda like living in an
institution).

Shen
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"Shen44" wrote in message

  > >The wife and I took a trip on the Mt. Vernon Victory in the 80's - one
  > >of the last Onasis tankers in service at the time. A friend of mine
  > >was the Captain.
  > >
 >
 > As I remember, she was one of the old midship house tankers, built on
gov'ment
 > specs. There were a number of them around, all of which had a good turn of
 > speed and some better than average accomodations, for US ships (which
normally
 > have worse than average accomodations ..... kinda like living in an
 > institution).
 >
 > Shen

Onassis got big in the shipping business because he bought the left over
Liberty ships from the US government at the end of WW II for less than scrap
value. Probably pennies on the $1000.
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On 16 Sep 2004 02:03:44 GMT, shen44.DeleteThis@aol.com (Shen44) wrote:

  >>The wife and I took a trip on the Mt. Vernon Victory in the 80's - one
  >>of the last Onasis tankers in service at the time. A friend of mine
  >>was the Captain.
  >>
 >
 >As I remember, she was one of the old midship house tankers, built on gov'ment
 >specs. There were a number of them around, all of which had a good turn of
 >speed and some better than average accomodations, for US ships (which normally
 >have worse than average accomodations ..... kinda like living in an
 >institution).

Exactomundo!!!!!!

The trip was a lot of fun - we had a great time.

Later,

Tom
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 05:35:03 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

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   >> >The wife and I took a trip on the Mt. Vernon Victory in the 80's - one
   >> >of the last Onasis tankers in service at the time. A friend of mine
   >> >was the Captain.
   >> >
  >>
  >> As I remember, she was one of the old midship house tankers, built on
 >gov'ment
  >> specs. There were a number of them around, all of which had a good turn of
  >> speed and some better than average accomodations, for US ships (which
 >normally
  >> have worse than average accomodations ..... kinda like living in an
  >> institution).
  >>
  >> Shen
 >
 >Onassis got big in the shipping business because he bought the left over
 >Liberty ships from the US government at the end of WW II for less than scrap
 >value. Probably pennies on the $1000.

I know a guy who is a bizillionaire today because of buying surplus
aircraft from the government after WWII. Actually sold some back
during Korea for a very handsome profit.

He still has some AAF two seat trainers in storage. I've often thought
of pressing him to buy one and restore it.

Later,

Tom
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Calif Bill wrote:

 > Onassis got big in the shipping business because he bought the left over
 > Liberty ships from the US government at the end of WW II for less than scrap
 > value. Probably pennies on the $1000.


<G> Maersk was another of these who made good from WW2.
Story goes, he turned over all his ships to US government at the
outbreak of the war with the stipulation that all those sunk would be
replaced at the end of hostilities.
Most of the ships were junk and all were sunk so that at the end of the
war he ended up with a fleet of "new" ships, courtesy of Uncle Sam.
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shen reminisces:

->>As I remember, she was one of the old midship house tankers, built on
gov'ment specs. There were a number of them around, all of which had a good
turn of speed <<-

Bilge- Most likely a T-2 tanker. Steam turbine to dc electric final drive,
IIRC.

They monkeyed with them in every conceivable way...like a jeep abandoned in
Manila.

In fact, I think the SS Marine Electric was a converted T-2...I only bring it
up because I'm docked next to the coal pier she left from on her last voyage.


->>for US ships (which normally have worse than average accomodations .....
kinda like living in an institution).<<-shen

Bilge-Tell me about it, why d'you think I'm on a Danish-built bottom? Earlier
this year I was sailing on the SS Horizon Hawaii, a C-6 class container ship,
(circa 1973), and my cabin was as wide as my bunk was long, add a foot fore 'n
aft....ridiculously bad living conditions on US ships, compared to "quality"
foreign built...the legacy of the SS Morro Castle.

Cheers;


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otnmbrd adds:

->>Maersk was another of these who made good from WW2.Story goes, he tvrned
over all his ships to US government at the ovtbreak of the war with the
stipvlation that all those svnk wovld be replaced at the end of
hostilities.Most of the ships were jvnk and all were svnk so that at the end of
the war he ended vp with a fleet of "new" ships, covrtesy of Uncle Sam.<<-


Bilge- LOL, that's the ovtfit I'm working for now, alright! Hey...it's still
going on, check the link:

http://www.maersklinelimited.com/mll/fleet/mps.asp

I'm on the Phillips. After the charter to Sammy expires, Uncle has to refit
the ships to their original form, see: Maersk Constellation, or bvy the pooches
with their 30 year old salt-water cooled engine rooms.

In fairness, A.P. Moeller-Maersk's mom was American, so I believe he has dval
citizenship...bvt Lordy is he cheap bastid!

On my first Maersk ship, I was rootin' arovnd the machine shop and fovnd a
repair kit for a six-inch crescent wrench...the worm gear, the movable jaw, and
the pin, all in a plastic bag.

I wandered arovnd dvmbstrvck for an hovr that they wovld pay a gvy two hovrs
to repair a tool that they covld replace for 5-10 bvcks.

These people spend zillions on crap, bvt whine cry and wail abovt ovr wages
and overtime.

And then they go wail and whine to the vnions and the Coast Gvard and anyone
else who will listen abovt how hard it is for them to fill the jobs...why won't
anyone take these jobs?

If ya can't figvre ovt what the problem is, then its' highly likely that yov
are the problem.


Cheers;


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Bilgeman wrote:
 > shen reminisces:
 >
 > ->>As I remember, she was one of the old midship house tankers, built on
 > gov'ment specs. There were a number of them around, all of which had a good
 > turn of speed <<-
 >
 > Bilge- Most likely a T-2 tanker. Steam turbine to dc electric final drive,
 > IIRC.

Negative. The Onasis tankers were after the war with pure steam,
reduction gear drives. HP was in the 20,000 range versus 7ish range of
the T2
 >
 > They monkeyed with them in every conceivable way...like a jeep abandoned in
 > Manila.
 >
 > In fact, I think the SS Marine Electric was a converted T-2...I only bring it
 > up because I'm docked next to the coal pier she left from on her last voyage.

She was. House was moved aft, atop the after house, and I believe a new
forebody. Sailed on a few of those types, plus original configuration
ones. <BG> Now THAT's dating oneself....

otn
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otnmbrd wails:

->>She was. House was moved aft, atop the after house, and I believe a new
forebody. Sailed on a few of those types, plus original configuration ones.
<BG> Now THAT's dating oneself....
<<-

Bilge- I'm getting there...Have a jpg of CS Long Lines leaving Honolulu on her
final voyage.

Thanks for the correction on Onassis.

Cheers;



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