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Harry Krause1

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:20 pm
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More than 10,000 troops medically evacuated from Iraq [1] out of 130,000
in only 9 months, the worst casualty rate for the U.S. in wartime, ever.

In the first 8 months of the war (Mar-Nov. 2003), US deaths (now over
500 for Iraq only) surpasses those in Vietnam's first THREE YEARS
(1961-1963). [2]

The Army is "near the breaking point." [3]

Although still a relatively-small war, The National Guard and Reserves
are being run to exhaustion. [4]

The troop rotation in the Mideast will involve the equivalent of 8 1/2
of the Army's 10 active-duty divisions. [5]

The Army has issued orders prohibiting 7,000 troops from leaving the
service when their voluntary tours end. [6] This is a disguised draft.

Last November (2003), 128 House members wrote Shrub demanding he
"significantly increase the number of people on active duty in the
military." [7]

Shrub and Washington, DC say "Iraqification" [8] will happen this summer
and the impression will be made the WAR is winding down.

But on Jan. 9, the Pentagon admitted it reopened Incirlik Air Base in
Turkey for operations in Iraq. [9]


Question: Why the expense of opening another base, if the WAR is winding
down?


US Armed Forces in the Occupation of the MIddle East
(as of late January, 2004)

Over 760 days in the occupation of Afghanistan.
Over 288 days in the occupation of Iraq.

Total Dead: 504

Total Dead since the infamous "Bring 'em on" (Shrub) announcement: 299


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[1] AP, 'U.S. Troops Committing...', by M. Kelley, Jan. 15, 2004; quoting
Dr. William Winkenwerder, Asst. Sec. of Defense for Health Affairs, Jan. 14

[2] Reuters, 'U.S. Mortuary Sees No Let-Up from Iraq War Dead,' Jan. 11,
2004

[3] Washington Post, 'Study Published...', Jan. 12, 2004

[4] Washington Post, 'Army Reserve Chief...', Jan. 21, 2004

[5] AP, 'Iraq-Afghanistan Rotations', Jan. 9, 2004

[6] USA TODAY, 'Army to Force...', Jan. 6, 2004, p. 4

[7] 'Defense News', 'Is the U.S. Military Too Small?", Jan. 12, 2004

[8] 'Iraqification': a replay of Vietnamization. Turning ground-combat
duties over to a puppet Iraqi government and Iraqi army.

[9] AP, 'Turkey OKs US Use...', by James Helicke, Jan. 12, 2004
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:03 pm
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:20:34 -0500, Harry Krause
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<much off topic material snipped>

Do we have any boats in Iraq?

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:43 am
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Wayne.B wrote:

 > On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:20:34 -0500, Harry Krause

 >
 > <much off topic material snipped>
 >
 > Do we have any boats in Iraq?

Sure. In the arena, anyway, and maybe patrolling the rivers.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 3:12 am
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WHY are you posting this here?
Are there /not/ plenty of political newsgroups where people might give a
shit about this drivel??

sheesh..


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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

 > More than 10,000 troops medically evacuated from Iraq [1] out of 130,000
 > in only 9 months, the worst casualty rate for the U.S. in wartime, ever.
 >
 > In the first 8 months of the war (Mar-Nov. 2003), US deaths (now over
 > 500 for Iraq only) surpasses those in Vietnam's first THREE YEARS
 > (1961-1963). [2]
 >
 > The Army is "near the breaking point." [3]
 >
 > Although still a relatively-small war, The National Guard and Reserves
 > are being run to exhaustion. [4]
 >
 > The troop rotation in the Mideast will involve the equivalent of 8 1/2
 > of the Army's 10 active-duty divisions. [5]
 >
 > The Army has issued orders prohibiting 7,000 troops from leaving the
 > service when their voluntary tours end. [6] This is a disguised draft.
 >
 > Last November (2003), 128 House members wrote Shrub demanding he
 > "significantly increase the number of people on active duty in the
 > military." [7]
 >
 > Shrub and Washington, DC say "Iraqification" [8] will happen this summer
 > and the impression will be made the WAR is winding down.
 >
 > But on Jan. 9, the Pentagon admitted it reopened Incirlik Air Base in
 > Turkey for operations in Iraq. [9]
 >
 >
 > Question: Why the expense of opening another base, if the WAR is winding
 > down?
 >
 >
 > US Armed Forces in the Occupation of the MIddle East
 > (as of late January, 2004)
 >
 > Over 760 days in the occupation of Afghanistan.
 > Over 288 days in the occupation of Iraq.
 >
 > Total Dead: 504
 >
 > Total Dead since the infamous "Bring 'em on" (Shrub) announcement: 299
 >
 >
 > ---
 >
 > [1] AP, 'U.S. Troops Committing...', by M. Kelley, Jan. 15, 2004; quoting
 > Dr. William Winkenwerder, Asst. Sec. of Defense for Health Affairs, Jan.
14
 >
 > [2] Reuters, 'U.S. Mortuary Sees No Let-Up from Iraq War Dead,' Jan. 11,
 > 2004
 >
 > [3] Washington Post, 'Study Published...', Jan. 12, 2004
 >
 > [4] Washington Post, 'Army Reserve Chief...', Jan. 21, 2004
 >
 > [5] AP, 'Iraq-Afghanistan Rotations', Jan. 9, 2004
 >
 > [6] USA TODAY, 'Army to Force...', Jan. 6, 2004, p. 4
 >
 > [7] 'Defense News', 'Is the U.S. Military Too Small?", Jan. 12, 2004
 >
 > [8] 'Iraqification': a replay of Vietnamization. Turning ground-combat
 > duties over to a puppet Iraqi government and Iraqi army.
 >
 > [9] AP, 'Turkey OKs US Use...', by James Helicke, Jan. 12, 2004
 > --

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 3:12 am
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In article , nono.RemoveThis@nono.com says...
 > WHY are you posting this here?
 > Are there /not/ plenty of political newsgroups where people might give a
 > shit about this drivel??

Now there's a real concerned American for you. Shows a lot of
compassion for our fellow citizen military.

jps
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:08 am
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:00:29 -0800, jps wrote:


  >> WHY are you posting this here?
  >> Are there /not/ plenty of political newsgroups where people might give a
  >> shit about this drivel??
 >
 >Now there's a real concerned American for you. Shows a lot of
 >compassion for our fellow citizen military.
 >
 >jps

His question had nothing to do with concern or lack thereof. Surely
you wouldn't be questioning one's patriotism because they proposed
posting political stuff in political newsgroups.

Harry, who has continuously referred to the military as something
lower than whale shit, is not posting his tripe to garner respect for
the military. He is posting it so he can see his name on his little
screen.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!
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Harry Krause2

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:20 am
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jps wrote:


  > > WHY are you posting this here?
  > > Are there /not/ plenty of political newsgroups where people might give a
  > > shit about this drivel??
 >
 > Now there's a real concerned American for you. Shows a lot of
 > compassion for our fellow citizen military.
 >
 > jps


Well, hell, the POTUS isn't concerned enough to attend funerals for the
soldiers he's sent off to die in his nasty little war.

As I have oft-stated, I have great respect for many of the individuals
who have served in the military, but very little for the military
establishment or the institution of the military. My opinion might
change if there were some sort of mandatory national service and the
military were one of the options. The very concept of a career military
gives me the willies...it is so damned teutonic.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:21 am
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In article <c3dhc2g=.a7034376015feb0d106fb10a7f67bf05@
1076073659.nulluser.com>, says...
 > jps wrote:
 >

   > > > WHY are you posting this here?
   > > > Are there /not/ plenty of political newsgroups where people might give a
   > > > shit about this drivel??
  > >
  > > Now there's a real concerned American for you. Shows a lot of
  > > compassion for our fellow citizen military.
  > >
  > > jps
 >
 >
 > Well, hell, the POTUS isn't concerned enough to attend funerals for the
 > soldiers he's sent off to die in his nasty little war.
 >
 > As I have oft-stated, I have great respect for many of the individuals
 > who have served in the military, but very little for the military
 > establishment or the institution of the military. My opinion might
 > change if there were some sort of mandatory national service and the
 > military were one of the options. The very concept of a career military
 > gives me the willies...it is so damned teutonic.

Spend a little time in Seattle and you'll experience Teutonic. Most
folks think we're chiefly Scandinavian but there's a HUGE number of
Germans who came to Seattle.

I agree with the mandatory service idea for EVERYONE. I'll bet we'd
find creative alternatives to war if the rich folks' kids served with
everyone else.

Of course, knowing America, we'd still have champagne jobs for the
privileged class.

jps
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Wayne.B wrote in message ...
 > On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:20:34 -0500, Harry Krause

 >
 > <much off topic material snipped>
 >
 > Do we have any boats in Iraq?

Yes.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:08 pm
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John H wrote in message ...

 >

   > >> WHY are you posting this here?
   > >> Are there /not/ plenty of political newsgroups where people might give a
   > >> shit about this drivel??
  > >
  > >Now there's a real concerned American for you. Shows a lot of
  > >compassion for our fellow citizen military.
  > >
  > >jps
 >
 > His question had nothing to do with concern or lack thereof. Surely
 > you wouldn't be questioning one's patriotism because they proposed
 > posting political stuff in political newsgroups.
 >
 > Harry, who has continuously referred to the military as something
 > lower than whale shit, is not posting his tripe to garner respect for
 > the military. He is posting it so he can see his name on his little
 > screen.
 >
 > John H

And what is YOUR excuse?
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:29 pm
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John H wrote:

 > Harry, who has continuously referred to the military as something
 > lower than whale shit,

As an establishment, certainly, but not for many of the individuals in it.

is not posting his tripe to garner respect for
 > the military.

It's hard to have respect for an organization that had you in it long
enough for a retirement.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 8:53 pm
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"jay" wrote in message

 > WHY are you posting this here?
 > Are there /not/ plenty of political newsgroups where people might give a
 > shit about this drivel??
 >
 > sheesh..

Drivel? 500+ soldiers dead, their sole mission being to get one man? If your
kids were among the dead, you wouldn't be calling the situation drivel.
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